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8/17/2019 Bahasa Pemersatu Nusantara

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Jaka Samudra

19 jam

selamat pagi

izin tanya om tante

dulu bahasa pemersatu nusantara itu bahasa apa ya??

apakah bahasa jawa yang jadi bahasa internasionalnya??

sok mangga atuh nyak di babarkeun

grin emotikon

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Artana Smerti Bahada utama body language,..bahasa tubuh,..he hee

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Jaka Samudra aduhhh abdi mah kurang ngrti atuh nyak,,,joged2 atuh,,,,

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Imam Farokhi tidak ada bahasa pemersatu.bahasa sendiri masing-masing.

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Jaka Samudra la kalo kirim upeti gimana atuhhh?

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Imam Farokhi kalu kirim upeti ya yg bisa bilingual

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Jaka Samudra aduhh kalo pas rapat gitu gimana atuh??kek pbb gt

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Iniagustinaja hrs bs semua bahasa...rajany kl g bs, punya staf translator...(mungkin...)

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Kasdi Raharja Bahasa pemersatu budi pekerti atau cahaya ketuhanan..

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Jaka Samudra haaa apa itu pak kasdi,,,cahaya ketuhanan hmmm abdi teh ndak faham ,,

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Jaka Samudra ini hehe bertti kita punya nenek moyang pandai macam banyak bahase

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Kasdi Raharja Salah satu kelebihan nusantara yg tdk dipunyai bangsa lain.. Contoh kecil kemajuan peradapan

leluhur nusantara.

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Jack Sparo Gade Leluhur pake translator dari Mbah google Boss!

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Jaka Samudra jack aduhh jadi sudah canggih atuh jaman baheula ada googlehahah karuhun eta mah top markotop

euy

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Budi Legg Bahasa pemersatu nusantara adalah bahasa osing

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Jaka Samudra pak kasdi brrri kita yg jadi patokan gitu atuhh,,,

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Jefri Anto Berarti pakai bahasa tarzan ,, kalau ngg ada yg tau

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Iniagustinaja @ jaka...hehe...iya kali pak...ni sy edisi kebanyakan nonton king suleman yg punya translator kl terima

utusan negara tetangganya......kali aj majapahit sama....tp kl prasasti2 majapahit pake bahasa sanskerta atau jawa

kuno....hehe...

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Jaka Samudra om budi eta mah bahasa banyuwangi atuh nyak?

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Jaka Samudra om jefri aduhh bisa bicara ma hewan brrti

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Jaka Samudra ini hehhe keknya gt atuh tapi ada gag yo rapat besar antar negara gitu hmmm

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Iniagustinaja ad pak...tp mungkin laporany gantian g debat terbuka kaya sidang DPR skrg, jd translatorny g terlalu

bingung translate...hehe...

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Jefri Anto gimana caranya kalau perdagangan antar negara ,ribet deh ngomongnya ,yg satu ngg tau artinya yg satu

manggut2 ,ahkirnya salah paham ,ahkirnya berantem .

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Iniagustinaja @ jefri...ya spt itulah mungkin pak...tp umumny pedagang dan pelaut bs multi bahasa... kejadian

berantem gara2 miss com bahasa g usah jauh jaman dulu, jaman sy msh kecil aj, ibu saya pernah ngambek g mauke pasar gara2 mis com bahasa ma pedagang sayur di bali, maklum ibu saya org jawa....

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Iniagustinaja @ jefri...spt ny profesi translator laris y di kota2 pelabuhan...hehe..

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Supardi Ahaey film jaka samudra bagus ya,...

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Bahasa perdagangan jaman dulu adalah BAHASA MELAYU KUNO. Kalo bahasa Kawi hanya

dipakai sebagai bahasa resmi kenegaraan.

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Jaka Samudra pak supardi loh2 emg ada tah film yg namanya jaka samudra,,yang ada jaka sembuh atuh pak,,,,

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Tyo Satriany cb jgn jauh2, bujangga manik dr sunda itu jaLan2 & MEnimba iLMu Ke tiMur ( Ke pawitran hingga bali )

Itu mmpergunaKan Bahasa apa ?

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Supardi Ahaey Ada film jadul ,. waktu aku masih kecil pernah diputer di TVRI

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Jaka Samudra mengisahkan tentang apa pak?jadi penasaran hmm

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4/15

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Supardi Ahaey seingat saya , dlm Film Itu mengisahkan ada seorang bayi dalam peti yang dihanyutkan kelaut dan

diktumukan seorang sodagar kaya dari gresik kebetulan sodagar tak punya anak , keluarga sodagar itu senang sekali

, apalagi bayi itu keturunan majapahit ,

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Supardi Ahaey Sang sodagar selesai berlayar mengarungi samudera tuk Berdagang , dan menemukan anak tu di

beri nama JAKA SAMUDRA , jreng jreng,...

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Budi Legg Hidup bahasa osing

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Jaka Samudra aq keknya teringat sesuatu aja pak supardi hmm keturunan majapahit???

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Dwi Sii Bowo klo yg saya tau itu adalah kisah ketika masa kelahiramn sunan giri yg di buang di laut .karna di

temukan di tengah laut maka dinamakan joko samudra nama kecil dari sunan giri.

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Zheng Xuanyuan Sanskrit dan Kawi.

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Zheng-dage, kayaknya kalo Sanskrit dipakai buat bahasa keagamaan, sedangkan Kawi

dipakai buat bahasa kenegaraan.. tapi kalo bahasa internasional pakai bahasa Melayu deh.

Buktinya, dalam naskah Yuanshi, pasukan Mongol menyebut Raden Wijaya adalah Tu-han-pi-ja-ya. Artinya Tuan

Wijaya.

Kenapa kok bahasa Melayu lebih populer, ini tak lepas karena pengaruh kekuasaan Sriwijaya. Meskipun jaman

Majapahit sudah ndak ada lagi Sriwijaya, tapi bahasa Melayu sudah terlanjur jadi tradisi dalam perdagangan antar

pulau.

Misalnya, kosakata bahasa Madura sampai sekarang pun banyak yg mirip Melayu daripada Jawa.

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Tjahja Tribinuka bahasa kawi atau jawa kuno dipakai menjadi bahasa lokal jawa dan bali, contohnya majapahit itu

bahasa jawa kuno, untuk bahasa nusantara menggunakan bahasa sansekerta, sehingga majapahit disebut juga

wilwatikta

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Tapi bahasa Sanskrta itu bahasa impor lho Kang. Termasuk rumpun bahasa Indo Aryan. Kalo

bangsa Asia Tenggara punya rumpun bahasa sendiri yaitu Austro Polynessian.

Bahasa Sanskerta itu jaman sekarang kayak bahasa Arab yg dipakai untuk acara keagamaan. Tapi para pedagang

apa iya kalo bertransaksi pake bahasa Sanskrit?

Saya menduga bahasa yg digunakan para pedagang antarpulau adalah bahasa Melayu.

Bahkan, Pangeran Diponegoro pernah menulis dirinya respek pada orang Belanda yg pintar bahasa Jawa daripada

orang Belanda yg cuma bisa bahasa Melayu karena menurut Diponegoro, bahasa Malayu itu pasaran.

Monggo kangTjahja Tribinuka.

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Bayu Ajie Pamungkas Pake bahasa isyarat # jaka samudra# haaaaahaa

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Tjahja Tribinuka lalu kenapa wilwatikta itu pakai bahasa sansekerta kangMpu Heri Purwa-anta, kenapa tidak pakai

bahasa melayu saja

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Tjahja Tribinuka di majapahit, kadiri, singhasari saya tidak pernah menemukan prasasti atau kakawin yang

menggunakan bahasa melayu

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi @mpu herry: bukan austro polynesian pak, tapi austronesia, kalo austro polynesia

artinya polinesia selatan, yaitu samoa, tongax tahiti, hingga antartika

setuju sengan pak tribinuka, sanskrit bahasa pemersatunya

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Maksud saya gini, yg ditanyakan status ini kan soal bahasa pemersatu Nusantara, ya

jawabnya Melayu.

Nah, kalo bahasa Sanskrta itu dianggap bahasa mulia, bahasa tingkat tinggi. Maka, Majapahit pun dikasih nama

tambahan Wilwatikta, atau Tiktasriphala, sebagai nama kebesaran, nama kemuliaan.

Jaman Kerajaan Medang pun awalnya Sanjaya ngeluarkan prasasti pake bahasa Sanskrit. Tapi para penggantinya

kemudian memakai bahasa Kawi untuk menulis prasasti. Itu artinya, bahasa Sanskrit sejak jaman Medang sudah

dibatasi penggunaannya. Khusus untuk keagamaan saja.

Nah, kalo bahasa persatuan antarpulau itu lebih cenderung pake bahasa Melayu, karena kekuasaan Sriwijaya yg

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sehari hari pake bahasa Melayu. Meskipun Majapahit berkuasa, bahasa Melayu tetap lestari dipakai para pedagang.

Itulah sebabnya, pada Sumpah Pemuda yg dijadikan bahasa nasional adalah Melayu yg sudah bertransformasi jadi

bahasa Indonesia.. meskipun Suku Jawa lebih mayoritas. Tapi memang kenyataannya bahasa Melayu lebih

mengakar di Nusantara.

Soal nama Wilwatikta tadi adalah soal nama kebesaran. Karena Sanskrta dianggap bahasa mulia yg penggunaannya

pun terbatas.

Nuwun kang Tjahja Tribinuka.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi secara bahasa, melayu kuno itu malah lebih dekat dengan bahasa jawa kuno, dan

bahasa jawa dari pada dengan melayu modern...

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Karena Melayu Kuno dan Jawa Kuno memang satu rumpun Bu.. sedangkan Jawa Modern

adalah perpaduan Jawa Kuno, Sanskerta, Melayu, Arab, dan Belanda. Penyerapan bahasa, maksud saya.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi loh yang saya maksudkan, bahasa melayu kuno itu lebih dekat kedalam bahasa

jawa pak, baik kuno maupun modern dri pada bahasa.melayu.modern

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Albert Cassidy Bhs Sansekerta

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Artana Smerti Pusing,..aku luuur,..

12 jam · Suka · 2

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Jefri Anto Ahhhhhhh,ahhhhhhhh Artana Smerti

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Jaka Samudra itu akik banyak bener om artna mau di jual apa yak

0.o


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Jefri Anto Kasi satu dong buat kenang2an ....

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Jaka Samudra sekarang lagi musimnya batu mulia atuhh kang jefrii dari pak tua hingga anak sd pun banyk yg suka

8-):D11 jam · Suka ·1

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Jaka Samudra kalo seandainya majapahit benar2 bangkitkira2 pake bahasa apa ya nanti??indonesia kah atau apa

yak xiixxi

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Jefri Anto Udah pada demam batu , ,hampir disetiap pelosok ,hampir merata semuanya.

Anak bayi yg baru lahir kedunia pun udah pada demen ama batu.

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Jaka Samudra asal jangan lempar batu sembunyi tangan aja kang xiixix :vaneh aja hmm ada pertanda apa yak 0.o

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Jefri Anto Itu suatu metamarfosa saja,paling lama 2 taonnan ,sesudah itu berganti ke yang menarik lainnya.

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Artana Smerti Pilih ja lur sesuai ukuran,...

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Artana Smerti Maaf cuma intermeso,sekedar break..lanjutkan,..pembahasanya,...

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Tjahja Tribinuka kangMpu Heri Purwa-anta, kalau masalah bahasa melayu itu kemudian dijadikan dasar sebagai

bahasa Indonesia itu sudah tidak berhubungan dengan masa lalu saya kira. itu karena pada era kolonial banyak

pedagang melayu yang berkeliling nusantara, ada yang menetap juga di daerah2 karena sifat budayanya untuk

merantau. itu pertimbangannya. masalah prasasti pada masa sanjaya ya hanya satu prasasti itu yang berbahasa

melayu, bisa banyak interpretasi. sama sekali secuilpun saya tidak pernah menemui artefak bersejarah berbahasa

melayu pada masa kahuripan, kadiri, singhasari sampai majapahit di jawa. di sisi lain pada saat kertanegara

mengirim prasasti amoghapasa ke sumatera juga menggunakan bahasa sansekerta, berarti memang bahasa ini

dimengerti oleh banyak daerah di nusantara. jika memang bahasa melayu digunakan sebagai bahasa keagamaan,

mengapa kakawin2 kuno menggunakan bahasa jawa kuno seperti negara kertagama dan sutasoma

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Berarti ada sedikit miskomunikasi di sini. Saya tidak bilang kalo bahasa Melayu menjadi

bahasa resmi di Jawa. Kalau bahasa resmi di Jawa tetap bahasa Kawi. Jaman Kerajaan Medang pun tidak ada

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9/15

prasasti bahasa Melayu, yg ada bahasa Sanskreta dan Kawi. Justru bahasa Melayu dipakai oleh prasasti Dapunta

Selendra yg diduga leluhur raja raja Sailendra.

Saya hanya bilang, bahasa Melayu digunakan sebagai bahasa pengantar perdagangan antarpulau sejak jaman

Sriwijaya. Kalo untuk menulis prasasti dan kakawin jelas pake bahasa Kawi sebagai bahasa resmi negara.

Jadi yg perlu digarisbawahi, bahasa Melayu dipakai untuk bahasa perdagangan antarpulau, sedangkan bahasa resmi

kenegaraan di Jawa tetap bahasa Kawi.

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Tjahja Tribinuka adakah data yang bisa menjelaskan kalau bahasa perdagangan di masa lalu itu bahasa melayu ?

saya kira bahasa melayu itu baru menjadi bahasa perdagangan di era kolonial

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Andy Nugroho Bahasa nya Sansekerta, aksara ( penulisan huruf - huruf nya )...setau saya Pallawa ( Pallava ).

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Kang Tjahja, saya dulu pernah baca sepintas lalu soal bahasa antarpulau. Tapi lupa judul

bukunya karena sudah lama.

Terus saya nemu catatan Cina jaman dinasti Yuan menceritakan soal Tu-han-pi-ja-ya pendiri Kerajaan Majapahit.

Nama ini jelas maksudnya Tuan Wijaya.. nah, sebutan Tuan ini kan bahasa Malayu? Karena naskah Jawa menulis

namanya Dyah Wijaya atau Nararya Sanggramawijaya.

Yg dapat saya simpulkan, penulis naskah tersebut memukul rata gelar orang Jawa dikira sama dengan orang Melayu,

yaitu Tuan. Itu kan bukti kalo zaman itu bahasa Melayu sudah dikenal luas oleh orang orang Cina.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi cina emang lbh berhubungan dengan melayu kok dr pd jawa, tiap tahunnya

kerajaan d sumatra d mulai jaman srivijaya kan slalu kirim upeti ke cina, sedang jawa menolak mentah2

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Oke, sekarang begini Bu.. kalo bahasa Sanskerta disebut bahasa persatuan Nusantara,

padahal bahasa ini dibawa oleh orang India. Pertanyaannya, apakah sebelum orang India datang ke Nusantara,

bangsa kita tidak punya bahasa persatuan antarpulau?

Masalah aksara memang bangsa kita mengadopsi huruf Pallawa dari India. Tapi soal bahasa, kita punya sendiri dan

itu sudah digunakan sejak bangsa kita belum mengenal tulisan.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi pak heri: maaf pak saya masih 23 tahun blm menikah hehe...

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10/15

nah masalahnya sebelum bangsa india dengan kebudayaannya datang ke indonesia bagaimana kondisi peradaban

di sini? apakah sudah mengenal.perdagangan dan komunikasi antar pulau? kalau ita apa buktinya pak

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Tjahja Tribinuka kalau berspekulasi ya bisa saja masyarakat kita memang belum punya bahasa pemersatu antar

pulau. persatuan antar pulau itu terjadi pada era kerajaan, karena ada politik. dan era kerajaan sudah terpengaruh

dengan india

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi ingat lo baik bahasa jawa kuno n melayu kuno itu.malah banyak unsur sanskritnya

dr pd lokal austronesia

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Tjahja Tribinuka wuih.. umur 23 sudah top gitu..

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Pindi Setiawan Saya lupa artikelnya. Artikel itu menguraikan bahwa pada masing masing bandar besar mempunyai

bahasa lokal. Namun untuk percakapan dagang yang dipakai Melayu Kuno.

Jawa kuno juga dipakai dalam perdagangan, namun pada latar tata aturan perdagangan yang terkait jaringan

kerajaan Jawa.

Sansekerta digunakan untuk percakapan keilmuan dan keagamaan...

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi pakTjahja Tribinuka aduh pak nanti saya mumbul hehe

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Pindi Setiawan Oya artikel itu juga menulias bahwa Jaringan perdagangan Jawa sampai ke Mesir juga

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi jaman medang walau memang ada prasasti yg make bahasa melayu kuno blm

bisa d indikasikan komunikasi antara medang dan srivijaya pake bahasa melayu lo...

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Jaka Samudra aduhhh abdi nyimak heula

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Wah kalo perdagangan sebelum zaman kerajaan apa sudah ada? Saya sendiri juga tidak

berani berspekulasi.

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11/15

Tapi kalo bahasa Sanskerta yg di India sana dianggap bahasa mulia dan murni, apa iya di sini dipakai untuk

perdagangan? Sedangkan Kerajaan Medang saja hanya awal awal saja mengeluarkan prasasti bahasa Sanskrrta,

kemudian yg lebih banyak pake bahasa Kawi.

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Nah, ada tambahan dari pak Pindi Setiawan. Patut untuk dicatat.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi betul jaman sekarang bahasa sanskrit bahasa mulia dan bahasa ilmu? apa dahulu

juga penggunaan bahasa sanskrit seperti jaman skrg pak? ada beberapa suku d india yg masih menggunakan

sanskrit sbg komunikasi sehari2 walau skrg.komunitasnya sedikit

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi pada jaman dulu setelah.nusantara tersentuh india, memang banyak saudagararab yg menjalin perdagangan dgn indonesia... ada saudagar arab yg mencatat pemenggalan kepala raja kamboja

oleh raja jawa karena raja kamboja menghina raja jawa... waktu itu kurun waktu samaragravira raja d.jawa

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Tjahja Tribinuka ayo, aku nonton aja dulu, kang Mpu Heri Purwa-anta vs nonMaharani Paramesvara Rajadevi..

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi ini laguna inscription, di temukan d laguna bay, wilayah deket lake taal, laguna,

manila, luzon, the philippines... berangka taun 900m

bahasa pake huruf jawa kuno, bahasa campuran jawa kuno, melayu kuno, tagalog kuno....

d situ d sebutkan "pamegat medang alias di bawah penguasa medang......

pertanyaannya apakah bisa d simpulkan melayu sbg lingua franca antar pulau? bahasanya gado2 lo itu...

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Kasdi Raharja Samarante ini bahasa mojopahit artinya apa yaa

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Ya kita main logika dulu deh, karena saya lupa bukunya, pak Pindi Setiawan juga lupa

artikelnya. Tapi coba kita bayangkan, kalo kita pergi ke tempat jauh dan berdagang di sana, apa saya menggunakan

bahasa saya, ataukah saya gunakan bahasa sana?

Kalo memang bahasa Sanskerta dipakai luas dalam perdagangan, mengapa justru bahasa Melayu yg tersebar dari

Sabang sampai Maluku?

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Tjahja Tribinuka kan sudah saya sampaikan analisa tadi kangMpu Heri Purwa-anta, bahasa melayu jadi merata ke

nusantara itu sejak masa kolonial

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Tjahja Tribinuka sejak kerajaan2 runtuh dan nusantara dikuasai belanda


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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Pertanyaannya, ketika Belanda belum datang, bahasa apa yg dipakai sebagai bahasa

antarpulau? Apa iya bahasa Melayu baru tersebar sejak jaman Kolonial?

Padahal hubungan Malaka-Jawa-Makasar sejak dulu sudah intens lho.

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Tjahja Tribinuka kitab bugis La Galigo ditulis dalam bagasa bugis kuno bercampur bahasa sansekerta, abad 14

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Mpu Heri Purwa-anta Eh iya, lha wong anak saya juga pake nama Sanskerta, hehe.

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Maharani Paramesvara Rajadevi pak mpu: baik, bapak tadi bilang sanskrit adalah bahasa ilmu dan trhormat dan

tdk d gunakan untk komunikasi sehari2, kalau ada waktu luang silahkan bapak baca mengenai distric mattur di

karnataka, jhiri di madhya pradesh, ganodha d rajashtan, shyamsundarpur di odissa, mohad di madhya pradesh,

kaperan d rajashtan, khada d rajashtan dan bawali di uttar pradesh, merek masih gunakan sanskrit sbg bahasa

komunikasi sehari2 kok pak.

oke saya juga mau main logika,

indonesia kcuali papua itu rumpun bahasa austronesia, bakan sampai polinesia, hawai, madagaskar pun ada sedikit2

persamaan dan tdk mutlak d sebut melayu...

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